MORNING STARS/ Sons of God
This subpage is to expand somewhat on what a morning star is and how it differs from a son of God. The primary source is Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? The context has to do with God asking Job to give an account of himself when the act of creation of the earth happened: where was he? In the verse God mentions the morning stars and all the sons of God in the same sentence in the sense of where was Job when "they" sang and shouted for joy? A brother says that since Jesus Christ describes himself (Rev. 22:16) as the bright and morning star that these must mean the three persons of the Godhead, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If so why speak of these as they or them that sang and shouted? Does God sing, is that written in the Bible? I had described them before as orders of angels for we know that Michael is the archangel, Gabriel is the special messenger of God and Revelation speaks of high order angels, the Seraphim and the Cherubim and others. And of Lucifer it is said that he was the angel 'that covereth', that 'had been in Eden and was covered by every precious stone' and that music was one of his commissions (Ez 28:13,14, Isaiah 14:11). While this is true, that angels are organized hierarchically, there is more here yet than meets the eye.
Again Lucifer is described in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 and his name means 'light bearer', son of the morning (KJV), Helel, but he is not the source of light nor the Sun of Righteousness (Mal 4:2). And of Lucifer (Satan) is written that to deceive he disguises himself as a light bearer still: For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light (2 Cor 11:14). If the devil transforms himself into an angel of light means that he no longer is what he was before. The question comes up, are angels light bearers, or as some translations write, shining ones or burning ones? Yes they are. But did the fall of 1/3 of the angels with Satan the Dragon likewise lead to the loss of their endowment to bear the light? It certainly is so. Look again at the verse in Job above: all the angels by reason of being direct creations of God are sons of God. But in this verse God by this teaches us that today, not all sons of God can be light bearers, and are not morning stars. Who then are the morning stars that sang together? Again does God sing too?
Some brothers have a problem that God can himself have an angelic form (the angel of the Lord, the Holy One of Israel). But they have soon forgotten that God the Son took on a body human (Heb. 10:5 ' a body hast thou prepared me') and the Spirit of the Son incarnated so that Jesus Christ the Lord is God incarnate. He is both the Word of God (John 1:1 and Rev 19:13) and is also man, having in his unique person two natures. This seems to irritate the sensibilities of some who do not want to get near the theology of the Jehovah's Witnesses who claim that an angel (Michael) became Jesus and was made a created mighty god but not almighty God the Father. This is not the case of an exaltation of an angel to the godhead which is impossible, but the incarnation of God in the likeness of man, and even this does not decrease or alter in any way any attribute of God the Son. He chose to limit himself in that he obeyed the Father and worked by the power of the Holy Spirit. But is not the will of the Father the same as that of the Son and of the Spirit who are One GOD? Is not the power of the Spirit likewise the power of the Father and of the Son? The incarnation is not a genie in a lamp, limiting the Son's abode, but He remained as much God as he was before, but in his earthly life was the Son of Man too. Phil. 2:6-8 adds clarity, '... Who being in the form of God...took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men,....being found in fashion as a man.....' The Lord Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, has two natures (Divine and human) but is only one person, not two. Had God the Son entered into another human person then it would be said that he indwelled or possessed the person, and that is not what the verse in Hebrew 10:5 says.
Now we need to keep in mind that after the fall of Lucifer (Satan) and his angels they still had to come and give an account of themselves to the Lord (Job 1:6,7 2:1,2) but contrary to what many have traditionally taught, they did not come and could not come into the Throne room not into the Heaven of God, for being sinful they would defile the holy aboding place. The Son of God had an angelic form that did not restrict his divinity nor power, but voluntarily control the intensity of his glory which is a consuming fire. God is Light and he is a consuming fire. The angel (messenger) of the Lord came to the abode of the Devil and his angels or the second heaven (they were cast out of the heaven of God) to receive an account of their whereabouts, for they remain under his authority and control. Can the Son of God being who he is, be the angel of the Lord, and Jesus Christ? Yes he can, and though we no longer know him after the flesh in his glorified body, but we do know him as the risen glorious God standing at the right side of the Father (Acts 7:56). That God the Son is the angel of the Lord in the O.T., the holy One of Israel, does not mean that he is of the same substance as the angels, for he remains by nature and substance divine, even as he rose in the most glorious of glorified bodies. More on this another day, when the topic on the physical world/dimensionalities is developed along the same paradigm as that on the Light/Life and Darkness/Death was.
And we too shall be in a glorified body when he comes for the church for when we see him we shall be as he is. We are told in Luke 20:36 that in the resurrection of the just we shall be as the angels of God. We too shall be light bearers, that is absorb and reflect back the light of God for his is the light of life (the mystery of light: waves or photons?). Look at 2 Pet 1:19 20-21) 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. The context is about false prophets (these verses run into chapter 2). Peter is debating the word of the witnessing of the Father that they heard at the Mount of Transfiguration, when He spoke with the voice that came from heaven and is saying that we have even a more sure word of prophecy, a word that foretells for us so that we may know, a word from God that came by the prophets. We are to listen carefully to the words of the prophets of God for prophecy can only originate with God (2 Peter 1:19-21) who knows all things for all times, and prophecy is like a light that shines in a dark place giving knowledge and sight, (exposes the darkness of ignorance or of false ways). Until the day dawn means until the light breaks through the fog or gloom of the darkness. And the day star rise in your heart means that as the passing away or dawning of the previous day of darkness and the new day arises or rises up in our hearts. This happens to one who is a believer, one who already has Christ in him, so it is not a reference to receiving Jesus Christ nor the Holy Spirit. Is this saying that we too will be light bearers when we are risen and are with God?
To the overcomers (the born again believers who trust that God the Son is Jesus Christ the Lord in the flesh, 1 John 5:4,5) of the Church of Thyatira Jesus promised to give them the morning star (Rev. 2:28), and this very verse persuaded me that the term "morning star" means a member of the Godhead, for we are given by Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:33, 1:6, John 16:7 and 15:26) from the Father. The topic of light surely entered the Scriptures early in Genesis, for after that the creation of his abode, the earth that was without form and void, was made habitable. The first feat of God was to give light from the darkness that was upon the face of the deep, and declared there to be light, which was good, and separated the light from the darkness. We know that Jesus is the light of the world and as God, he is Light (John 1:4,9) and the Light that gives life. It is written that he is the light of life and that light dispels the darkness and of the latter it is said to be the shadow of death. So what light is to life so darkness is to death (the type/antitype, the shadow/reality concept). Jesus Christ is the Sun of righteousness (Mal 4:2) so that we as children of God are sons of God ( will be as the angels, Luke 20:36), and will be light bearers having the day star, receiving and reflecting God's character as we become partakers of the divine nature, and this will happen at the time of our resurrection with glorified bodies. And by the way, we partake of the righteousness of God and of the eternal life of God (2 Peter 1:3,4) being in Christ, but in no way does the Bible say that we will have all the atributes of God nor that we will be Gods, as written in the Roman Catholic Cathechism paragraph #460, 1994-1995 edition, with no bible sources, but references only to the early church fathers.
And to come to the identity of who are the morning stars that sing, I had asked, is it said in the Bible that God sings? The Job 38:7 passage does indeed claim that the sons of God, the angelic hosts of heaven do sing, for that is what is meant that they "shouted for joy", which is singing. But let us look at some verses in their contexts: Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth (Luke 15:10). And Isaiah 5:1 Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill: This passage is the first verse following Is 4 where the subject is "the branch of the Lord, beautiful and gloriuous" (Is 4:3), a reference to the Messiah of God. He is responsible for raising the vineyard, and it is God that is speaking, saying that He will sing to his well beloved (Son). So God for whom nothing is impossible does sing and he did when he created the earth and stretched the lines, fastened the foundations to 'hang' the earth (Job 38:4-6) in its place in the universe. Yet there is still another verse, Zephaniah 3:17 The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing. At this point all doubts went up in smoke, all questions were answered: God is said to sing in the Bible so that the singing trio, the Morning Stars are the persons of the triune Godhead! My brother was right and I stand corrected in my thinking. Jesus said: I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star (Rev 22:16).
But to what purpose do we have to identify who the morning stars are? Here it is: the new translations, those from the "Critical Text", the one from Alexandria, the work of Wescott and Hort, of the United Bible Societies, have inserted "morning star" for Lucifer son of the morning, in Isaiah 14:12, the passage that describes Lucifer as having fallen from heaven. Now with this insertion, it is changed to 'the morning star' (Jesus Christ) as having fallen from heaven! Jesus warned in Revelation 22:18,19, that to add or remove (delete) from the Scriptures earns the doer the distinct priviledge of having his name removed from the book of life unto eternal damation! Revised, corrected, 1/22/2015. End.
Again Lucifer is described in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 and his name means 'light bearer', son of the morning (KJV), Helel, but he is not the source of light nor the Sun of Righteousness (Mal 4:2). And of Lucifer (Satan) is written that to deceive he disguises himself as a light bearer still: For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light (2 Cor 11:14). If the devil transforms himself into an angel of light means that he no longer is what he was before. The question comes up, are angels light bearers, or as some translations write, shining ones or burning ones? Yes they are. But did the fall of 1/3 of the angels with Satan the Dragon likewise lead to the loss of their endowment to bear the light? It certainly is so. Look again at the verse in Job above: all the angels by reason of being direct creations of God are sons of God. But in this verse God by this teaches us that today, not all sons of God can be light bearers, and are not morning stars. Who then are the morning stars that sang together? Again does God sing too?
Some brothers have a problem that God can himself have an angelic form (the angel of the Lord, the Holy One of Israel). But they have soon forgotten that God the Son took on a body human (Heb. 10:5 ' a body hast thou prepared me') and the Spirit of the Son incarnated so that Jesus Christ the Lord is God incarnate. He is both the Word of God (John 1:1 and Rev 19:13) and is also man, having in his unique person two natures. This seems to irritate the sensibilities of some who do not want to get near the theology of the Jehovah's Witnesses who claim that an angel (Michael) became Jesus and was made a created mighty god but not almighty God the Father. This is not the case of an exaltation of an angel to the godhead which is impossible, but the incarnation of God in the likeness of man, and even this does not decrease or alter in any way any attribute of God the Son. He chose to limit himself in that he obeyed the Father and worked by the power of the Holy Spirit. But is not the will of the Father the same as that of the Son and of the Spirit who are One GOD? Is not the power of the Spirit likewise the power of the Father and of the Son? The incarnation is not a genie in a lamp, limiting the Son's abode, but He remained as much God as he was before, but in his earthly life was the Son of Man too. Phil. 2:6-8 adds clarity, '... Who being in the form of God...took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men,....being found in fashion as a man.....' The Lord Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, has two natures (Divine and human) but is only one person, not two. Had God the Son entered into another human person then it would be said that he indwelled or possessed the person, and that is not what the verse in Hebrew 10:5 says.
Now we need to keep in mind that after the fall of Lucifer (Satan) and his angels they still had to come and give an account of themselves to the Lord (Job 1:6,7 2:1,2) but contrary to what many have traditionally taught, they did not come and could not come into the Throne room not into the Heaven of God, for being sinful they would defile the holy aboding place. The Son of God had an angelic form that did not restrict his divinity nor power, but voluntarily control the intensity of his glory which is a consuming fire. God is Light and he is a consuming fire. The angel (messenger) of the Lord came to the abode of the Devil and his angels or the second heaven (they were cast out of the heaven of God) to receive an account of their whereabouts, for they remain under his authority and control. Can the Son of God being who he is, be the angel of the Lord, and Jesus Christ? Yes he can, and though we no longer know him after the flesh in his glorified body, but we do know him as the risen glorious God standing at the right side of the Father (Acts 7:56). That God the Son is the angel of the Lord in the O.T., the holy One of Israel, does not mean that he is of the same substance as the angels, for he remains by nature and substance divine, even as he rose in the most glorious of glorified bodies. More on this another day, when the topic on the physical world/dimensionalities is developed along the same paradigm as that on the Light/Life and Darkness/Death was.
And we too shall be in a glorified body when he comes for the church for when we see him we shall be as he is. We are told in Luke 20:36 that in the resurrection of the just we shall be as the angels of God. We too shall be light bearers, that is absorb and reflect back the light of God for his is the light of life (the mystery of light: waves or photons?). Look at 2 Pet 1:19 20-21) 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. The context is about false prophets (these verses run into chapter 2). Peter is debating the word of the witnessing of the Father that they heard at the Mount of Transfiguration, when He spoke with the voice that came from heaven and is saying that we have even a more sure word of prophecy, a word that foretells for us so that we may know, a word from God that came by the prophets. We are to listen carefully to the words of the prophets of God for prophecy can only originate with God (2 Peter 1:19-21) who knows all things for all times, and prophecy is like a light that shines in a dark place giving knowledge and sight, (exposes the darkness of ignorance or of false ways). Until the day dawn means until the light breaks through the fog or gloom of the darkness. And the day star rise in your heart means that as the passing away or dawning of the previous day of darkness and the new day arises or rises up in our hearts. This happens to one who is a believer, one who already has Christ in him, so it is not a reference to receiving Jesus Christ nor the Holy Spirit. Is this saying that we too will be light bearers when we are risen and are with God?
To the overcomers (the born again believers who trust that God the Son is Jesus Christ the Lord in the flesh, 1 John 5:4,5) of the Church of Thyatira Jesus promised to give them the morning star (Rev. 2:28), and this very verse persuaded me that the term "morning star" means a member of the Godhead, for we are given by Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:33, 1:6, John 16:7 and 15:26) from the Father. The topic of light surely entered the Scriptures early in Genesis, for after that the creation of his abode, the earth that was without form and void, was made habitable. The first feat of God was to give light from the darkness that was upon the face of the deep, and declared there to be light, which was good, and separated the light from the darkness. We know that Jesus is the light of the world and as God, he is Light (John 1:4,9) and the Light that gives life. It is written that he is the light of life and that light dispels the darkness and of the latter it is said to be the shadow of death. So what light is to life so darkness is to death (the type/antitype, the shadow/reality concept). Jesus Christ is the Sun of righteousness (Mal 4:2) so that we as children of God are sons of God ( will be as the angels, Luke 20:36), and will be light bearers having the day star, receiving and reflecting God's character as we become partakers of the divine nature, and this will happen at the time of our resurrection with glorified bodies. And by the way, we partake of the righteousness of God and of the eternal life of God (2 Peter 1:3,4) being in Christ, but in no way does the Bible say that we will have all the atributes of God nor that we will be Gods, as written in the Roman Catholic Cathechism paragraph #460, 1994-1995 edition, with no bible sources, but references only to the early church fathers.
And to come to the identity of who are the morning stars that sing, I had asked, is it said in the Bible that God sings? The Job 38:7 passage does indeed claim that the sons of God, the angelic hosts of heaven do sing, for that is what is meant that they "shouted for joy", which is singing. But let us look at some verses in their contexts: Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth (Luke 15:10). And Isaiah 5:1 Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill: This passage is the first verse following Is 4 where the subject is "the branch of the Lord, beautiful and gloriuous" (Is 4:3), a reference to the Messiah of God. He is responsible for raising the vineyard, and it is God that is speaking, saying that He will sing to his well beloved (Son). So God for whom nothing is impossible does sing and he did when he created the earth and stretched the lines, fastened the foundations to 'hang' the earth (Job 38:4-6) in its place in the universe. Yet there is still another verse, Zephaniah 3:17 The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing. At this point all doubts went up in smoke, all questions were answered: God is said to sing in the Bible so that the singing trio, the Morning Stars are the persons of the triune Godhead! My brother was right and I stand corrected in my thinking. Jesus said: I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star (Rev 22:16).
But to what purpose do we have to identify who the morning stars are? Here it is: the new translations, those from the "Critical Text", the one from Alexandria, the work of Wescott and Hort, of the United Bible Societies, have inserted "morning star" for Lucifer son of the morning, in Isaiah 14:12, the passage that describes Lucifer as having fallen from heaven. Now with this insertion, it is changed to 'the morning star' (Jesus Christ) as having fallen from heaven! Jesus warned in Revelation 22:18,19, that to add or remove (delete) from the Scriptures earns the doer the distinct priviledge of having his name removed from the book of life unto eternal damation! Revised, corrected, 1/22/2015. End.